You might want to revise your Legal to Carry advice for MI. Self defense isn't unlawful, anyway. Not in any precarious situation. The implications of this are that, if you are planning on hurting someone with a knife, there is a chance that the knife can count as a dangerous weapon even if it is a 1-inch folder. The truth is much more complex. Charges pending not guilty. Im having no luck with lawyers. Its that orange eddie bauer knife) is it legal to carry around? AND W.T.F. We suggest a very cautious approach to the concealed carry of any double-edged knife folding or out the front knife in Michigan as it subject to challenge as a “dangerous weapon.”. An example of a case where this happened was in Chicago where a man was convicted of carrying a dangerous weapon with intent to harm. YES THATS EXACTLY WHAT IT MEANS. Know the difference between Concealed and Open Carry. The only time state statutes mention knife length occurs in the section of the penal code limiting knife length to three inches if the intent of the knife owner is to harm another person. What about boot knives that are no longer then 3 inches. I have researched this and came up with conflicting answers as well. Case precedence will help with this. Knife Rights passed the nation’s first Knife Law Preemption bill in Arizona in … Should think of a holster, either sideways or whatever on belt. I use to do a lot of “Ren” (Renaissance) Fairs around the State of Michigan, most of the time (for both vendor and actors) swords and stabbing weapons had to be “in some manner, locked away and inaccessible to the occupant of the vehicle” while traveling. I feel that this is extremely dangerous for my children and dogs. I really wish this would be updated as the law has changed. What about a peace bound sword for a costume? Rather, it eliminated the restriction on any pocketknife which could be opened by means of a mechanical contrivance. They are the easiest to see that’s legal. 2.) We suggest that any fixed blade double-edged knife is within the class of knives restricted by 750.227 (1). This needs to be updated Michigan laws changed in 2017, Auto knives are legal to carry in Michigan. No unlawful intent was found. Im not an expert on this but a few friends of mine often use swords in there cosplay at ComicCon and they haven’t had a problem with any officials or police. Note that double-edged blades, including those in an automatic (switchblade) knife, remain prohibited from concealed carry. I have one with me daily along with my Seecamp .32. Actually as physical therapy for my broken hand. § 28.424.”. http://www.michigan.gov/msp/0,4643,7-123-1878_1591_3503_4654-10953–,00.html#OTHER_WEAPONS__NON_PISTOLS_. I have a clean record and have a family. Sec. After numerous attempts to get it out of here I finally heard from the guy today. It has no bearing on knives NOT made of stone, so don’t worry about it. id like to see anywhere that says you have to have a hunting license to Cary a hunting knife. I must say they are only a novelty and not dangerous. Login; New! Get a new knife and support our legislative efforts. How about exactly what autos will legal or illegal starting next week Wednesday????? 1.) 750.226a mcl has been amended by “ACT 96 OF 2017” which repeals “Act 328 of 1931”. It is usually a wide, single bladed knife with a pointed tip. Just for clarification though…. first? Effective October 10th 2017. Bowie knives and other large knives are legal. He thought I’d be an easy target. The lady was pissed. The descriptions in the testimony include that the knife is double edged, sharpened on both sides, fixed (nonfolding), its blade eight or nine inches long . Law allowing switchblades in Michigan has been passed and sent to the governor, June 2017. The high school I work at has a cooking class are those knives allowed? Here is a link to it: http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2017/07/14/switchblade-switcheroo-blades-now-legal/103688182/. If you want to search is idc. So my 21 year old son who has never done anything except speed had to spent a night in jail and now faces a felony!!!! Mount Morris MI, What about throwing knives… Can they be consealed carried…, so are otf knives illegal to just keep in your home and it never leave the home. You can also open carry any knife you want unless it is an automatic knife whose blade deploys out the front of the handle. Senate Bill 245, recently signed into law, eliminates the prohibition on the sale or possession of spring loaded automatic (switchblade) knives. Your section on automatic knives needs to be updated. Double-edged folding knives are uncommon due to practical limitations which involve a sharp edge being exposed when the knife is in the closed position. Open carrying an 8 inch hunting knife might be legal, but that doesn’t mean you won’t go through what “Ottawa County is Unjust” did, being detained, spending months and thousands on legal defense, before having all charges dismissed. Automatic knives (switchblades) are legal in Michigan as of 10-10-2017. https://kniferights.org/legislative-update/2390-2/, michigan has passed legislation that makes switchblades legal. The cops said that since I was on private property and it was a cultural dagger, they would not pursue. The wording of 750.227 (1) has been difficult for Michigan courts. yes. The law in Michigan can be confusing if you have not had formal training. And I got a few different answers about the blade length. I recently purchased a double-edged survival knife. Duh. Because the assailant was in Jackson prison on unrelated charges, so he couldn’t/wouldn’t testify, the girl who witnessed did not come to court either. I’m no pro though. It is really more for slicing if you have seen any YouTube Vids. The Law will take effect in 90 days. Home > Opinions > Society > Michigan knife laws: Should people in Michigan be allowed to own switchblade knives? The ONLY kind of OTF knife that is NOT legal to carry in Michigan, is one that is double-edged like a dagger and therefore falls under the definition of “dirk, dagger, or other stabbing instrument”. I was told by the officer it was considered like brass knuckles. I could be wrong, but a good way to know for sure would be to ask a cop. what if the automatic knife is military issue ? I have a knife the shape of a key amd the blade is about 1in. The statute does carve out an exception for hunting knives. I don’t care where you live but if you r in MI u have to follow MI laws, You would deffinetly get charged with carrying an elegal knife you should leave it in Indiana. Why are we still allowed to sell them? There’s not a blade length law in Michigan as long as you’re not carrying it as a weapon. "I've been looking for knife law guides for a while and your articles are amazing. If need be do it yourself. please answer. I just pulled this from the Michigan State Legislature website in late November of 2018: “750.227 Concealed weapons; carrying; penalty. This article is now outdated (and always was poorly written). All I want to know is whether it’s legal to carry a folding knife that has a blade over 3 ” in length. The Mi Home Rule law will not allow cities the right to penalize for carrying such knives a worse penalty than what the state gives out. Not based on the law, this is based on me asking multiple S. Dept. I know logic does not always work, but trying to be logical with respect to a one-handed opening knife, I would think a mechanical contrivance would have to be something separate from the blade. cheers, Pete, Nolan, Michigan has the stand your ground law which means if you are in fear of your life or think the person can and will inflict great bodily harm to you or someone with you, you are allowed legally to use deadly force. So I was wondering if you are carrying a knife as a minor and you catch yourself in a situation with an adult trying to hurt you would I have the right to defend myself with a knife? you do realize we here in MI have an open carry law that makes it legal for anyone to carry there firearm in the open. The exemption was not allowed in the case of People v Wright, 296 N.W. generally, if you are not using for unlawfull reasons you are fine. It lists daggers, dirks, and double-edged nonfolding stabbing instruments and then mentions in the same sentence “any other dangerous weapon except a hunting knife adopted and carried as such.” In the case of People v Brown, 277 N.W. The exception within the statute for hunting knives only applies to a “hunting knife” and only if the person can show he or she was using and carrying the hunting knife as a hunting knife. Community. So are 8 inch throwing knives legal to carry in Detroit because i keep getting followed and today my SUV was broken into. I am confused however, so is an auto OTF non double blade legal to carry or not???? On they way out, she was booed by people who were of Irish and Scottish descent. You state on your website that you cannot carry other stabbing instruments. To my knowledge as long as you must take part in the action of opening the knife beyond clicking a mechanism it is fine. You’re asking questions about a felony on a forum? So since they are larger then 3 inches (although only marginally) are they illegal to carry? Sorry Sandro. As of August 2017 the law has been changed and it is now legal to possess and carry automatic blades in the state of Michigan. After reading here I’m affraid they might charge me with a felony. Concealed is “not seen”..and anywhere in a care..even if you are driving and the knife is not on your person..the fact that it is in the car is interpreted as “concealed” because it could possibly be accessed and used by you. That’s not 100% since I’m not a lawyer, but it’s my best opinion based on my research. I’m not sure there is a distinction between open carry and concealed carry with knives. Most all of the knives that I own are 3.25 or 3.5 inches. But there’s LEGAL and then there’s what police will stop you for. Wouldn’t be concealed that way. Once on site these could be carried, but required what was referred to as “Peace Tied”. Are they legal to carry? Long even when concealed? The Michigan Court of Appeals in the case of People v Payne, 446 N.W.2d 629 (1989) held that a double-edged fixed blade knife cannot be considered for the hunting knife exception. He did look at them and replied to her “that’s a good idea when transporting those”, and left it go at that. Include that I am 14. I should add that it was left on the top of my couch, open. Moving one state to another is hard to say but, using common sense once you cross state lines you are under that law of the state and federal government which is everywhere. Yes it IS legal to carry a knife over 3 inches in Michigan, as long as you do NOT have unlawful intent. Dirks, daggers, and stilettos are legal to own. All 50 states have their own knife law, and many of the local jurisdictions within a state will oftentimes have their own, more regulated knife laws as well. By my reading that would be illegal. 226a. This is a massive victory for knife rights in the state of Michigan. Is that correct? Absolute invisibility is not required in to establish concealment. In Michigan, you can own any knife you want. The issue of what is a “dangerous weapon” involves fact issues and evidence beyond double edges. The grammar on this page sincerely makes me doubt the accuracy of the information given. Lansing, MI (February 15, 2013) – Rep. Frank Foster continues his efforts to provide Michigan residents and those traveling to the Wolverine State relief from knife restrictions. Are spring assisted knives illegal to carry? Home; Register; Why Register? I’m getting old and can’t fight like I did in my USMC days but I’ll be Damned If I won’t use any means at my disposal to stay upright during a dangerous conflict, even if that means having to hack off any appendages aiming to hurt me…. They should know the laws they enforce. So even if carrying it openly, you have to walk from your home to wherever you are going. I had no idea it was a felony to have. For example, if you live in Denver, Colorado, you must abide by the knife laws of Colorado as well as the knife laws of Denver. […] (3) A person who violates this section is guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment for not more than 5 years, or by a fine of not more than $2,500.00. As they say- if it ain’t legal outside the convention, it ain’t gonna be legal inside. The only limits to concealed carry are that you must not use the knife to harm others and that you can not carry a stabbing knife like a dirk or stiletto whose blade is deployed out the front of the handle. I think this ridiculous law spans back to the 1950’s due to Hollywood movies such as Rebel Without A Cause and West Side Story. Sec. I want to know how big the knife can be to have it concealed. Just my two cents. Pocket knives over 3 inches are not dangerous weapons per se. I’m planning on wearing mine too. I’m 33 and was carded for buying slingshot ammo in Michigan. Safe to say you’d be just fine. @Jarod, if I understand the laws right, it’s legal to open carry pretty much anything here, so long as it’s not outright banned. So by my understanding, the State of Michigan allows me to carry a concealed pistol with as many rounds as I can carry but I can’t own a knife that opens with a press of a button. Maybe I do not remember correctly, but an AG’s opinion on this issue would sure help the current situation. Its the same way with them and medical cannabis laws right now. As of January 2019, Michigan law does not place restrictions on knife length. Doubled-edged, nonfolding stabbing instruments (pertains to items fashioned from stone by knapping or conchoidal fracturing) So me being a minor, can i conceal carry a push dagger? If you don’t have a hunting license your blade can’t be any bigger than 3 inches . It deffinately says can not be spring assisted or auto. 750.226. Such knives were restricted under a statute repealed effective in October 2017 which described the prohibited knives as follows: Pocket knife opened by mechanical device, unlawful sale or possession. You must remember Mi has NO preemption on knife laws, so a knife that is legal in one city or township may not be legal in the next city. I think thats just for guns. This gives them the opportunity to stop and rethink if they want to get cut. Carrying the switchblade knife may be used for some people in their line of work (as a use for box openers), but once used as a weapon for self defense or harm, the laws will be placed. Signed into law by Gov. There blades are typically not even sharp. From what you said, can I carry any length fold knife, concealed in my pocket as long as I do not have unlawful intent? id say legal. Michigan Law and Knife Length. Hey so like, technically, I could carry around, let’s say a great sword or a sabre, as long as I’m not concealing it or having the intent to harm anyone? As long as you don’t do unlawful activity with it, in theory, yes. This makes no sense. Auto knives are illegal in michigan no matter the situation, atleast springloaded one and tension knives. Take this with a grain of salt on legality. Many Michigan prosecutors and law enforcement officers do not charge individuals with a crime for carrying these common knives, creating a patchwork of enforcement across the … NAVIGATE SECTIONS: MCL Chapter Index: Chapter 750 : Act 328 of 1931: 328-1931-XXXVII: Section 750.226: Legislature Bills Appropriation Bills (Passed) Calendars Committees Committee Bill Records Committee Meetings Concurrent Resolutions … Lynn was convicted by the Kalamazoo Circuit Court (trial level) on several charges including 750.227 (1) as set forth above. Doesn’t this pretty much mean it’s illegal to carry for any purpose other than hunting? In at least two places it says they are illegal and in at least 3 says they are legal. Typical for politicians to make and have laws enforced on things they know very little about or see on TV. Should I not be so worried/concerned? (1) As used in this chapter, “doubled-edged, nonfolding stabbing instrument” does not include a knife, tool, implement, arrowhead, or artifact manufactured from stone by means of conchoidal fracturing. Firearm or dangerous weapon; carrying with unlawful intent. (The Mini has a 2.9″ blade, the Covert has a 3.7″ blade.) Lastly, there is no preemption and local laws are often much more strict (many cities ban carrying knives over 3inches and some ban all knives for carry). Senate Bill 245, recently signed into law, eliminates the prohibition on the sale or possession of spring-assisted knives, referred to as “switch blades” in Michigan statutes. I bought a knife to carry and or show off I live in upper Michigan and bought this offline with the description that it was a spring assisted not an automatic but if I look up automatic knives it will come up with this knife model what’s the deal with that can I carry it or not? Concealed carry, not open carry, open carry is for firearms. Michigan sees its first possible advance in knife law since the repeal of the automatic ban last July, and Virginia may lift the ban on knife carry in places of worship.. Michigan House Bill 5512 seeks to remove all language of knives from section 227 of the Michigan Penal Code. What is illegal then? I thought there was changes in 2017. I think you need to re-check this article. Automatic knives are no longer banned in Michigan as of 10/10/2017. I stabbed him twice, arm & stomach, & cut his neck once (he stabbed himself with it the arm a 3rd time thrashing around so much) so 4 total contacts with 2″ blade. I have read a lot of people saying that a hunting knife is considered a dagger in Michigan, but that is from 2-3 years ago. Get a new knife and support our legislative efforts. I have seen K-Bar (Marine fighting knife) like knives sold as a hunting knife with a deer embossed on the sheath. Michigan law is unquestionably restrictive of fixed blade or “nonfolding” stabbing instruments but does not specifically address moveable or non-fixed blade double-edged knives. If I would to use that blade to defend my self would it be legal. Can a 15-16 year old carry a balisong with it clipped to there pocket or in a sleeve on the belt? I believe it changed in late 2017. Also if the knife has more than one blade. If it is legal, would I need a permit, and what are the transportation regulations? § 750.227. non folding stabbing instrument … or any other dangerous weapon concealed. The fact that a pointed instrument, such as a machete, has great potential as a dangerous weapon does not render it a dangerous weapon Per se. hence gravity opening and closing. what about carrying a 2.5 inch fixed blade. We also know that it is legal to open carry any type of knife as long as it is not an automatic knife (a knife your not supposed to have in your possession). If the pocket clip is visible, is this still considered concealed when the majority of the knife is in the pocket? § 28.424, the burden is on the prosecution to prove that the instrument carried by the defendant is a dangerous weapon per se or that the instrument was used, or intended for use, as a weapon for bodily assault or defense. Yes as far as I know I own several and have purchased a few in Michigan from reputable dealers but I would double check the law. P.S., in Malaysia, Indonesia and Brunei, the Karambit/Kuku Macan is a weapon, pure and simple. Law changed in Oct 2017 on this topic. How old do you have to be for these laws to apply, is there an age limit where a person is not allowed to carry a knife in general? This speaks of daggers and such that are double edged. You can also open carry any knife you want unless it is an automatic knife whose blade deploys out the front of the handle. The defendant in the Brown case had a machete protruding from under the seat of his car when he stopped by officers for “running a red light.” He was convicted of violating 750.227 (1) on the charge that the machete was a dangerous weapon. Some of the info has not been updated. 2017, Act 96, Eff. What about carry swords for ComicCon and other conventions when en-route to the vicinity? I suspect the “Guardfather” spike weapon would also fall under that definition as well. I don’t see this tip or even the 1cm letter opener being illegal. Michigan law 750.227 Concealed weapons, carrying, states: Sec. The cop said they didn’t arrest me on the spot cause I have a cpl but might still catch a charge. Cop says they may just deem it to be destroyed? Remember if you are in a calm state you have the ability to make a better assment of the situation and better determen whether additional force is needed to stop the situation. To me it is a novelty piece ( has painting on the blade. Eric k bosserdet van buren co. Mi. I’m curious. I think as long as you have it stored in a responsible way and disclose you have it shows your intent you should be okay. It was a cord with a special knot that made it difficult or impossible to draw you sword, which kept “Peace” in the area. If you read the statute carefully and then how this guy changes it you’ll see that the son is obviously guilty based on the statute. As of October 10th 2017 all auto opening knives are now legal to care and use in the state of Michigan. that is illegal, mainly its a hatchet. People v Mitchell 835 N.W. 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